Oppo, we need to have an adult discussion about an extremely divisive issue. 

"Honeybunchesofgoats" (honeybunche0fgoats) 01/12/2017 at 18:54 • Filed to: None

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Consider this your trigger warning.

The J-Gate is literally just an old version of an automatic with flappy paddles. It downshifts and holds gears exactly like any automatic with a manual mode, only it’s tied to a ZF transmission that wants to kill itself and it feels better because it’s mechanical. Leave J-Gates alone!

For Sweden > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 18:56

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J-Gate is the worst scandal the automotive world has ever seen

Honeybunchesofgoats > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 18:57

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Also, that screw looking thing to the left of Park is not an exposed fastener . It’s a manual release so you can shift the car into Neutral when it breaks down, because Jag.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 18:58

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My S-Type loaner had that. Not as bad as the old Mercedes-style squiggly pattern shifter that many cars had for a while, but still dumb.

Honeybunchesofgoats > For Sweden 01/12/2017 at 18:59

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I’m convinced that VW would never have tried to cheat on emissions if they didn’t think that they could hide behind the J-Gate scandal

OpposResidentLexusGuy - USE20, XF20, XU30 and Press Cars > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 18:59

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My LS400 also has one but mine is the exact same size as they square security key.

bob and john > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:00

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is the shift on backwards?

Honeybunchesofgoats > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/12/2017 at 19:01

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How did you like the S-Type? I’m beginning to accept that it’s way easier for me to find a cheap 4.0 or 4.2 S-Type that it’ll be to find a XK8 coupe that isn’t priced multiples of Bluebook and doesn’t have an aftermarket leaper drilled into the hood.

Chariotoflove > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:03

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an aftermarket leaper drilled into the hood

Wait, what? Is this really a thing?

Honeybunchesofgoats > bob and john 01/12/2017 at 19:04

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In theory, most of the usage is downshifting from OD. I’ve only once tried running through the gears from a standstill. It resulted in a transmission fault that put the car in limp home mode before it shifted out of first, so I didn’t try that again (in classic Jaguar style, the solution was to pull to the side and turn the car off and on again until it went away).

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:04

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Danger Will Robbison, no such thing as a cheap S-type

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:05

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It was comfy enough and I liked feeling snooty driving it, but it felt very poorly made and wasn’t great to drive. I probably wouldn’t ever buy one.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 01/12/2017 at 19:06

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Unfortunately.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/friendly-reminder-1786557536

Honeybunchesofgoats > Chariotoflove 01/12/2017 at 19:07

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Sadly, yes. I haven’t looked recently, but last time I looked, something like 5 out of 15 XK8s in a 100 mile radius on CarGurus had an aftermarket leaper. There were apparently a lot of people in the early 2000s who did not understand that Jaguar coupes never have hood ornaments.

Honeybunchesofgoats > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/12/2017 at 19:09

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Probably true. But at least there are apparently a lot of shared parts with the Lincoln LS.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/12/2017 at 19:09

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Ugh. That is truly tragic.

bob and john > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:10

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no no, I mean like, the actual shift knob looks like its on backwards

Chariotoflove > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:10

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Anyone who doesn’t understand a Jaguar shouldn’t be allowed to own one.

I realize that what I just wrote flies in the face of the modern strategy of chasing market share.

Honeybunchesofgoats > bob and john 01/12/2017 at 19:11

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Oh! I don’t think it can be, because it’s completely symmetrical. But let’s say it is, because I really need an excuse to replace it with a solid walnut one.

Honeybunchesofgoats > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/12/2017 at 19:12

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Oh. :(

DrScientist > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:13

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when you consider the predecessor, how can’t it be an improvement!

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:17

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My wife’s not-a-Toyota has that. My Integra had it... I thought pretty much any auto with a center console shifter had that...

HammerheadFistpunch > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:18

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My shifter does the same thing without all the bends and none of the gimmick

Honeybunchesofgoats > DrScientist 01/12/2017 at 19:20

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But who notices when you have driver and passenger ashtrays? That’s class.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:21

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Eh. Not worth it though, too much stuff on the drivetrain grenades.

Honeybunchesofgoats > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/12/2017 at 19:21

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With more than two gears, though? I’ve honestly never seen another auto that had more than first and second.

Honeybunchesofgoats > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/12/2017 at 19:23

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Ugh. That’s the same thing that keeps scaring me away from X-Type wagons, since they’re all automatics in the U.S.

dogisbadob > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:23

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XK8 coupes sound so expensive it might be close to the price of a DB7 which is on the same platform

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:24

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Yep, that’s why I got the manual.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:24

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Really? My Taco has L(1)-2-3-D. My wife’s car has 2-3-D.

smobgirl > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:26

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I thought there were a very small number of manuals originally sold here? Was googling this today and ended up on some forum.

Honeybunchesofgoats > dogisbadob 01/12/2017 at 19:28

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KBB puts them around $6k for a good example with 100,000 miles, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything past the trouble years (‘97-’00), for less than $10-15k around me. I’ve seen XKRs priced around $20k, which is nuts because that’s last gen XK money.

Honeybunchesofgoats > smobgirl 01/12/2017 at 19:29

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Really? That would be amazing, but I doubt I’d find one anyway. Even a nationwide search usually only brings up a handful for sale at any given time.

DrScientist > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:30

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i took up smoking cigarettes specifically because i owned this car.

Honeybunchesofgoats > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/12/2017 at 19:30

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Nope. In my defense, I’ve never driven a Toyota that wasn’t a manual.

Honeybunchesofgoats > DrScientist 01/12/2017 at 19:31

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I’m not sure you even had a choice in the matter.

smobgirl > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:33

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Oh, yeah, I couldn’t find one for sale anywhere. I was trying to convince a coworker that he needed one.

DrScientist > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:35

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my pulmonogist appreciates that i sold it after 4 years.

Honeybunchesofgoats > smobgirl 01/12/2017 at 19:51

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You’re doing god’s work

Land_Yacht_225 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 01/12/2017 at 19:53

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Yeah...I’m just getting past the honeymoon phase with my Mom’s new S-Type R and I’m realizing how absolutely appalling the interior is compared to the Vanden Plas which my dad is still stupidly trying to sell now. It is a really unpleasant place to be. The dark poplar wood is ugly as hell, and literally the only real leather is on the seats and wheel, whereas in a Vanden Plas everything is real leather inside. The S-Type blows, 400hp V8 notwithstanding.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > smobgirl 01/12/2017 at 19:53

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Only in sedan trim, I have one of them.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 19:57

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This one can:

This one can’t:

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Land_Yacht_225 01/12/2017 at 19:59

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I made a post in my formative years on Opposite asking why people basically ignored what seemed to be an E39 M5 competitor:

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/npocp-jaaaaag-edition-1660698844

Then I drove one and it became painfully obvious.

smobgirl > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. 01/12/2017 at 20:32

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I guess I didn’t verify that the wagon on the forum was legal! Ah well, I can scratch that one off the list now.

wiffleballtony > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/12/2017 at 23:56

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Leave Britney alone!

pip bip - choose Corrour > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/13/2017 at 07:49

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kill it with fire.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Land_Yacht_225 01/13/2017 at 15:28

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Sometimes I take having leather literally everything on the S600 for granted. I think it’s broken right now though.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Honeybunchesofgoats 01/13/2017 at 15:31

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No. The J gate is bad and the transmission it’s bolted to is bad too. I still would do dark things for an XJR

Land_Yacht_225 > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 01/13/2017 at 15:40

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I mean, lets be honest, aren’t they always broken?

Honeybunchesofgoats > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 01/13/2017 at 16:04

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For what it’s worth, the transmission in the XJRs is different and apparently much more reliable.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Land_Yacht_225 01/13/2017 at 16:14

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I have an oil slick and it appears to be pentosin.

Land_Yacht_225 > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 01/13/2017 at 20:25

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Maybe it’s just a strut, at least those are cheap and easy!

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Land_Yacht_225 01/13/2017 at 20:35

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It’s right under the back of the engine. Only a little bit came out though, so I’m thoroughly confused.

Land_Yacht_225 > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 01/13/2017 at 22:43

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Back of the engine? That’s not pentosin, there’s no way for it to find its way back that far. You’ve probably got a failed rear main seal like I do.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Land_Yacht_225 01/13/2017 at 23:51

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No, there’s a few high pressure lines back there. My mechanic pointed out one that looked like it could go at some point.

Land_Yacht_225 > V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches 01/14/2017 at 11:26

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Lines aren’t bad either though. I had my primaries done with the pump. I just don’t understand how every part in your system is dissolving at less than 100k miles.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > Land_Yacht_225 01/14/2017 at 11:30

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I’m not sure either lol. I won’t sell it but it does get annoying. It might also be overflow from the windshield washer tank mixing with a bit of oil. It’s weird, because it’s not a puddle, just a bit of a slick. And it hasn’t been getting bigger. It just appeared one night.